Jul 19, 2026
Join us for an illuminating conversation with John Perkins,
the renowned author and ex-economic hitman, as he shares insights
into the hidden systems that shape our world. Discover how
perceptions are manipulated, the real story behind economic
strategies, and practical ideas for transitioning to a more
sustainable, equitable future.
In this episode:
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John’s background in advising the World Bank, UN, IMF, and his unique blend of economic and shamanic knowledge
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The system of economic hitmen and how it influences international and domestic politics
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The distinction between the death economy and the life economy and the urgent need for change
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How perceptions mold reality and how shifting them can transform our future
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The internal and external political dynamics in the US, Canada, and globally
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The role of oligarchies and the global cabal in controlling nations and economies
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Practical solutions: rebuilding economies, resource management, and the importance of alliances
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The impact of AI and innovation on energy, environment, and societal progress
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The awakening of consciousness and systemic shifts happening worldwide
As Chief Economist at a major consulting
firm, John Perkins was advisor to the World Bank, UN, IMF, Fortune
500 corporations, and government and business leaders in Africa,
Asia, Latin America, the Middle East, and the United States.
Before that, he apprenticed with shamans
when he lived in the Amazon rainforest from 1968 to 1971 and has
since studied with shamans from many different cultures. His eleven
books on economics, shamanism, and transformation have been on the
New York Times bestseller list for more than 70 weeks, sold
millions of copies, and are published in at least 38
languages.
Our show from 12 years ago with John
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Timestamps:
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00:00 - Welcome and introduction to John Perkins’ background
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02:23 - Reflection on past interview in 2014 and ongoing influence
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03:04 - Book reflections: “Economic Hitmen Trilogy” and upcoming “The Art of the Steel”
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06:12 - The importance of perception in shaping reality and system change
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07:47 - The concept of the life economy versus the death economy
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08:56 - The hijacking of green initiatives by corporate interests
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11:20 - The predatory capitalism and the role of government and corporations
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13:46 - The influence of green policies and resource management in Canada
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15:05 - Immigration, economic dependency, and systemic issues
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17:48 - The role of oligarchy, the entanglement of government and big business
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20:33 - America's internal shifts and the global influence of the oligarchs
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28:07 - How nations manipulate global perceptions to maintain control
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31:28 - The shifting global economic landscape and China’s role
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39:49 - Solutions for resource management, local economy development, and international cooperation
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47:35 - The importance of local resource sovereignty and fair trade
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58:20 - Future energy solutions, AI’s potential, and environmental innovation
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66:16 - The revelation of AI-generated responses and human authenticity
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67:13 - Personal reflection on actionable questions for systemic change
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70:59 - Global awakening and the importance of a shared human purpose
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75:10 - Closing thoughts, book pre-orders, and ongoing systemic challenges